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we do know that in the third quarter the fiscal cliff did contribute to a decline in investment. althoughmanufacturing was weakened. it's not justified by the underlying fundamentals. you have to believe that part of that is due to the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff. and we've seen a number of companies coming out saying we're not firing but we're delaying hiring and delaying investment projects. delays in an already weak economy, you don't want hesitation. it's a vicious cycle of hesitation and slow growth. kind of an opposite of what we saw in the '90s where you had certainty and caution thrown to the wind in robust growth. >> christine has one ear piece in, talking with us with the other ear. >> hurricane sandy, they say, did not affect the overall rate. they did not see that the overall rate was affected by hurricane sandy. the labor force declined a bid of 300,000 or so. retail trade was strong. construction was a little weaker. unchanged for the workweek, 43.4 hours. you still have long-time unemployed, an interesting number. that's been just stuck. >> yeah. >> that's 40%
we do know that in the third quarter the fiscal cliff did contribute to a decline in investment. althoughmanufacturing was weakened. it's not justified by the underlying fundamentals. you have to believe that part of that is due to the uncertainty of the fiscal cliff. and we've seen a number of companies coming out saying we're not firing but we're delaying hiring and delaying investment projects. delays in an already weak economy, you don't want hesitation. it's a vicious cycle of hesitation...
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paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately. they could go fwook their constituents and boehner could go to eric cantor and see what kind of deal they could get. but that was the dynamic that came the closest. >> they didn't have control of their parties basically right? does john boehner have more control? >> they think obama can get anything through the house of representatives. but everything that has happened since the election all of the moves in the republican caucus have been about boehner consolidating control over that tea party caucus that didn't allow boehner to get a deal in 2011. >> there will be some criticism about it being two people
paul steinhauser live in washington, thank you. >>> let's talk more about the fiscal cliff. we have the washington correspondent for the new yorker and cnn contributor ryan lizza with us. john boehner and the president in a room, just the two of them. good idea? >> i think it is a good idea. >> if you look at the accounts of the negotiations of 2011 when you had boehner, mcconnell, nancy pelosi all in one ba bainer and the president who were on the phone meeting privately....
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at theo's coffee shop, people have a lot to say about washington, d.c. and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that do nothing congress, it is going to be awfully toug to get anything done. >> reporter: potential effects of the fiscal cliff in rock island, illinois aren't necessarily any better or worse than in other cities around the country. the bottom line is if congress fails to act, repercussions will be felt across the country. wolf? >> ted rowlands in rock island, illinois. >>> imagine being able to use your ipad, cell phone in the air whenever you want. up next, we have details on a new government effort under way now to keep you plugged in all the time, including on takeoff and landing, while flying. stand by. ♪
at theo's coffee shop, people have a lot to say about washington, d.c. and the fiscal cliff. james cheeks says he is counting on congress to prevent his taxes from going up. >> scary. you know, it's scary. where is that money going to come from, you know, how am i going to pay that extra tax hike. >> reporter: one booth over, ted and gus say they don't think congress can avoid the cliff. >> i hope so, but i don't see it yet. >> if we're going to have standoffs, have that...
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fiscal cliff still hanging over us. markets, at least, are telling us that we think washington will get its act together, avert the fiscal cliff and like what they see from the jobs report this morning. >> my goodness. that's optimism there. can you talk to me a little more about this job market shrinking and that maybe why the unemployment rate dropped? >> two surveys that the government takes, household survey where they call thos thousands of people at home and ask, are you working? that's the number that gives us the unemployment rate. they also talked to thousands and thousands of companies and they say how many jobs do you have? how many jobs have you added? that's how you get that net job creation number up 146,000. when the government calls people up and they say i'm not working or i've dropped out of the labor market or whatever, you can see just how big the labor market is. we know that there are some, i think, 300,000 some people who have dropped out of the labor market. they've either dropped out. they could
fiscal cliff still hanging over us. markets, at least, are telling us that we think washington will get its act together, avert the fiscal cliff and like what they see from the jobs report this morning. >> my goodness. that's optimism there. can you talk to me a little more about this job market shrinking and that maybe why the unemployment rate dropped? >> two surveys that the government takes, household survey where they call thos thousands of people at home and ask, are you...
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. >>> coming up next with just 24 days to go until the fiscal cliff deadline, speaker john boehner wants negotiations to be just between him and the president. will this be washington's last hope? i'm getting a deal done. keep it here on "morning joe." [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. in what world do potatoes, bacon and cheese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you...